Jeg tror det er lurt å tenke på bitcoin som en hvilken som helst annen valuta. La oss f.eks bytte ut bitcoin med amerikanske dollar (USD).

Si vi har disse 4 personene:
Deg: 6000 NOK | 0 USD
Per: 0 NOK | 1000 USD
Pål: 6010 NOK | 0 USD
Lise: 0 NOK | 0 USD

Dersom du har 6000 kroner og kjøper 1000 dollar i dag fra Per for 6000 kroner og selger 1000 dollar om 1 uke til Pål for 6010 kroner. Pål bruker 1000 dollar til å betale husleie til Lise som han leier av i USA.

Etter handelen:
Deg: 6010 NOK | 0 USD
Per: 6000 NOK | 0 USD
Pål: 0 NOK | 0 USD
Lise: 0 NOK | 1000 USD

Hvor er potten og hvem har tapt penger?

Har nesten lest gjennom hele posten. ser ikke helt poenget med å kjøpe bitcoins vs NOK, Greit at man kan kjøpe ting på nettet, men like så greit å bruke paypal.

Du kan ha både inntekter og utgifter i NOK. Det kan du i praksis ikkje med bitcoins i dag.

Jeg tror det er lurt å tenke på bitcoin som en hvilken som helst annen valuta. La oss f.eks bytte ut bitcoin med amerikanske dollar (USD).

Si vi har disse 4 personene:
Deg: 6000 NOK | 0 USD
Per: 0 NOK | 1000 USD
Pål: 6010 NOK | 0 USD
Lise: 0 NOK | 0 USD

Dersom du har 6000 kroner og kjøper 1000 dollar i dag fra Per for 6000 kroner og selger 1000 dollar om 1 uke til Pål for 6010 kroner. Pål bruker 1000 dollar til å betale husleie til Lise som han leier av i USA.

Etter handelen:
Deg: 6010 NOK | 0 USD
Per: 6000 NOK | 0 USD
Pål: 0 NOK | 0 USD
Lise: 0 NOK | 1000 USD

Hvor er potten og hvem har tapt penger?

Forskjellen er at når Pål kommer til Lise kan Lise si "nei, jeg vil ikke ha monopolpengene dine, kom med USD" og hvis Pål ikke hoster opp skikkelige penger blir han kasta ut.

Verdien i nasjonale valutaer ligger i at de er tvungne betalingsmiddel i hjemlandene sine. Hvis Lise nekter å ta imot USD i USA kan hun ikke kreve å få kravet sitt oppfylt med noe annet (dette forutsetter såklart at de har en avtale der ytelsen til Pål er fastsatt i USD).

Bitcoin og andre valutasubstitutt er bare verdifulle så lenge folk tar dem imot, men så lenge Norge eller USA finnes vil NOK eller USD ha en eller annen form for verdi.

Bitcoin kan fort ende opp med å være som ølbonger etter julebordet en eller annen dag.

Eksemplet ditt er helt fint men du tar ikke med verdistigning eller tap.
Dette er statiske transaksjoner uten vinnere og uten tapere. I RL vil det være alt fra transaksjonskostnader til evt. gevinst eller tap å ta hensyn til.
Og det er jo det cod forsøker få frem.

Nei, og det er strengt forbudt å drive en mtgox i norge så det finnes dessverre ingen slike sider.

The heist occurred last night when an attacker accessed an unencrypted backup of wallet keys

Hvorfor trodde de det var en god idé å ha så mye penger liggende på en åpen, ukryptert fil? Og til og med etter alle de andre hackingene som har skjedd i det siste.. De ber jo nesten om det.

Hackers demand $1 mln ransom to keep Romney's stolen tax returns secret
TruthDive - ‎1 hour ago‎
The hacker group claims that it has in its possession of 'all available 1040 tax forms for Romney', which they stole from PricewaterhouseCoopers' Nashville office on August 25, 2012. The group ... They have demanded a ransom of one million USD in Bitcoins.

Agents investigate claim of Romney tax files theft from Franklin office
The Tennessean - ‎2 hours ago‎
The letter says the tax returns would be released to the media later this month unless a payment of $1 million is received through an online payment system, Bitcoin. For the same price, someone interested in seeing the returns made public could guarantee ...

Hacker claims he stole Romney's tax returns, demands $1mln
PanARMENIAN.Net - ‎2 hours ago‎
Net - A hacker allegedly stole Mitt Romney's tax returns and is demanding $1 million in Bitcoins for silence. The hacker also sent a USB drive and letter to the Republican and Democratic party offices in Williamson County, Tenn. as proof, VentureBeat reports.

Hacker wants $1 million in Bitcoin or they'll release Mitt Romney's tax returns
TweakTown - ‎2 hours ago‎
Things are looking to heat up for Mitt Romney, with a hacker claiming to have in his (or her) possession, the presidential candidate's previous tax returns. Romney has been accused of hiding something, as he has only released the previous two years worth of ...

Romney Tax Returns Stolen, Letter Claims, And Demands $1M Ransom
International Business Times - ‎3 hours ago‎
Convert $1,000,000 USD to Bitcoins.... It does not matter if small amounts or one large amount is transferred, as long as the final value of the Bitcoins is equal to $1,000,000 USD at the time when it is finished. The keys to unlock the data will be purged and ...

Hackers Claim to Have Mitt's Tax Returns
Newser - ‎4 hours ago‎
They have threatened to make the returns public unless they receive the payoff in the hard-to-trace BitCoin online currency by September 28. The hackers say they sent flash drives containing copies of the returns to Democratic and ... at both offices say they made no attempt to access the information on the flash drives. A spokesman for PricewaterhouseCoopers says the company is working closely with the Secret Service, and managers haven't discovered any evidence of unauthorized access to Romney's returns.

PWC: No evidence of breach in Romney tax return extortion case
ITworld.com - ‎6 hours ago‎
"When they were done, they kind of opened the envelope and scooped [the contents] back in." The group wants the money paid using the BitCoin digital currency, which is hard to trace, in order to prevent the decryption key from being released.

Hackers ransom Romney tax returns
SC Magazine Australia - ‎7 hours ago‎
Blackmail letters were sent to Romney's Republication Party offices, including one package containing a hand-written address and a USB drive. The hackers said the documents would be released to anyone who paid the ransom. Cryptographic Bitcoin ...

Bitcoin value spikes after hacker demands ransom in the currency
VentureBeat - ‎7 hours ago‎
Today, a hacker who claims to have obtained Mitt Romney's tax returns is demanding a ransom of $1 million in Bitcoins. The hacker probably didn't expect to improve the market for Bitcoins overall, but that's exactly what happened, as the value of Bitcoins ...

U.S. Probing Claim That Romney's Tax Returns Were Stolen
Bloomberg - ‎7 hours ago‎
The anonymous group sent a letter to Romney's accounting firm and political offices in Tennessee demanding $1 million in Bitcoins, a type of Internet currency, to prevent the disclosure of the candidate's tax returns. Romney's tax returns have become an ...

Romney receives a coup d'etax
Examiner.com - ‎8 hours ago‎
The group claims it will release the records on September 28th unless paid $1 million by an untraceable internet currency called Bitcoins. They also claim they will destroy the evidence if paid in time. The Secret Service is investigating the matter, and nothing ...

Secret Service Eyes Romney Tax Return Blackmail Attempt
TPM - ‎8 hours ago‎
... the beginning of the week also containing flash drives with copies of Romney's tax returns before 2010.” A second post says that encrypted copies of the tax documents will be sent to major media outlets, and demands the equivalent of $1 million in Bitcoins, ...

Mitt Romney's tax returns being held hostage for $1 million in...Bitcoin?!
89.3 KPCC (blog) - ‎8 hours ago‎
So if the theft turns out to be for real, how would Romney or PwC or some combination thereof get the Bitcoin? It's unclear. He would probably have to go on a Bitcoin exchange, like Mt. Gox, and trade or exchange $1 million for BTC. Not that that would ever ...

Secret Service Investigates Claim That Romney's Tax Returns Were Stolen
WBUR - ‎9 hours ago‎
Also included in the packages, according to the ransom letter, was an image of Romney's signature from the 1040 tax return documents. The letter's author states, "The deal is quite simple. Convert $1,000,000 USD to Bitcoins.... It does not matter if small ...

Reports: Mitt Romney's Tax Returns Stolen And Held Ransom
CRN - ‎9 hours ago‎
Mitt Romney's tax returns have reportedly been stolen from PricewaterhouseCooper's (PWC's) Franklin, Tenn., office and will be released to the public unless the GOP presidential nominee coughs up $1 million in ransom, according to a Pastebin blog posted by an anonymous hacker group. The initial post, which is dated Sept. 2, details ... The post then explains that $1 billion must be converted to Bitcoins, a form of digital currency, and transferred to a designated address. It then promises that the "keys to unlock the ...

US probe over possible theft of Romney tax data
Phys.Org - ‎41 minutes ago‎
The message asks for a ransom of $1 million to be converted into Bitcoins, a virtual currency, and sent to a specific address by September 28. In exchange, the tax returns of Romney and his wife Ann would be kept secret. If the amount is not paid, the note ...

Hackers demand $1 mln ransom to keep Romney's stolen tax returns secret
TruthDive - ‎1 hour ago‎
The hacker group claims that it has in its possession of 'all available 1040 tax forms for Romney', which they stole from PricewaterhouseCoopers' Nashville office on August 25, 2012. The group ... They have demanded a ransom of one million USD in Bitcoins.

Hackers demand $1 mln ransom to keep Romney's stolen tax returns secret
Newstrack India - ‎1 hour ago‎
They have demanded a ransom of one million USD in Bitcoins. The Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer electronic currency with no central banking authority-thus, it's very difficult to track. If PricewaterhouseCoopers pays the ransom by September 28, the information the ...

US probe over possible theft of Romney tax data
Yahoo!7 News - ‎2 hours ago‎
The message asks for a ransom of $1 million to be converted into Bitcoins, a virtual currency, and sent to a specific address by September 28. In exchange, the tax returns of Romney and his wife Ann would be kept secret. If the amount is not paid, the note ...

Secret service opens investigation into 'theft' of Mitt Romney's tax returns
Telegraph.co.uk - ‎2 hours ago‎
The message asks for a ransom of $1 million to be converted into Bitcoins, a virtual currency, and sent to a specific address by September 28. In exchange, the tax returns of Romney and his wife Ann would be kept secret. If the amount is not paid, the note ...

The Sunday Times Sri Lanka - ‎3 hours ago‎
CHARLOTTE, North Carolina, Sept 5, 2012 (AFP) - The US Secret Service said Wednesday it had opened a probe into the possible theft of copies of Republican White House hopeful Mitt Romney's tax returns. “I can confirm that we are investigating the incident,” Secret Service spokesman George ... The message asks for a ransom of $1 million to be converted into Bitcoins, a virtual currency, and sent to a specific address by Sept.28. In exchange, the tax returns of Romney and his wife Ann would be kept secret.

US probe over possible theft of Romney tax data
Radio Netherlands - ‎3 hours ago‎
The message asks for a ransom of $1 million to be converted into Bitcoins, a virtual currency, and sent to a specific address by September 28. In exchange, the tax returns of Romney and his wife Ann would be kept secret. If the amount is not paid, the note ...

US probe over possible theft of Romney tax data
AFP - ‎3 hours ago‎
The message asks for a ransom of $1 million to be converted into Bitcoins, a virtual currency, and sent to a specific address by September 28. In exchange, the tax returns of Romney and his wife Ann would be kept secret. If the amount is not paid, the note ...

Om dette er en hoax eller ikke, en person krever 1 million dollar betalt i bitcoin hvis ikke vil han gi ut presidentkandidat Romneys selvangivelse.

Ser ut til at dette får mye oppmerksomhet i media. All PR god PR ?

You can now buy WordPress.com upgrades with bitcoins.

PayPal alone blocks access from over 60 countries, and many credit card companies have similar restrictions. Some are blocked for political reasons, some because of higher fraud rates, and some for other financial reasons. Whatever the reason, we don’t think an individual blogger from Haiti, Ethiopia, or Kenya should have diminished access to the blogosphere because of payment issues they can’t control. Our goal is to enable people, not block them.

Bitcoin is a digital currency that enables instant payments over the internet. Unlike credit cards and PayPal, Bitcoin has no central authority and no way to lock entire countries out of the network. Merchants who accept Bitcoin payments can do business with anyone.

hvor mye koster 1 BTC iforhold til norske kroner? akuratt nå

hvor mye koster 1 BTC iforhold til norske kroner? akuratt nå

er det mulig å motta btc mens bitcoin klienten er under nedlasting? er på 93% de siste prosentene tar evigheter :S

JA hvis du har fått en addresse. Pengen blir ikke oppdater i clienten før du er på 100%

Ettersom fler og fler bruker bitcoins, vil det resultere i enda dyrere kr per btc.
Altså, vil den mest sannsynlig stige i verdi?

For dem som bitminer, så gikk fra 50coins ned til 25coins. http://bitcoinclock.com/
Som gjør at det er mye mindre lønnsomt nå.

Ettersom fler og fler bruker bitcoins, vil det resultere i enda dyrere kr per btc.
Altså, vil den mest sannsynlig stige i verdi?

Ville det vært dumt og kjøpt bitcoins nå?
Vurdere og kjøpe for 20k, altså alt jeg har av spare penger.

Det er idioti. Rein og skjær idioti. Ja, du kan ha flaks og femdoble, eller du kan ha uflaks og tape alt.

Når du har såpass begrensa sparepenger bør du satse på ei relativt trygg spareform, ettersom det er greit å ha litt cash i bakhånd i tilfelle det skjer uforutsette ting.

Det spørs hvor lang tidshorisont man har. 20k er jo egentlig ingenting,

Tja, 20k er mykje den dagen (og den er nær for mange 18-åringer) ein skal leige bustad, og treng penger til depositum og seng. Så lenge en ikkje er etablert vil eg påstå at å ha cash lett tilgjengelig har stor verdi.

Nissen, vet ikke om du har vært der, men du finner mye god info på forumet: https://bitcointalk.org/

Hvor er det egentlig folk får all infoen om Bitcoins fra? er det noen store utenom wikien og egenehjemmesider som oppdaterer med info og fremtidige planer? Tenker på at "alle" vet at vanskelighetsgraden ved mining vil gå opp og likende ting

Det er idioti. Rein og skjær idioti. Ja, du kan ha flaks og femdoble, eller du kan ha uflaks og tape alt.

Når du har såpass begrensa sparepenger bør du satse på ei relativt trygg spareform, ettersom det er greit å ha litt cash i bakhånd i tilfelle det skjer uforutsette ting.

Så lenge man er bevisst risikoen ser jeg ikke idiotien i det. Selvsagt kan man tape alt, akkurat som man kan tape alt om man investerer i Apple aksjer.

Hvis man setter alle pengene man har inn i en høyrisikoinvestering er man pr definisjon ikke bevisst risikoen.

Finnes det noen statistikker på hvor mye bitcoins som blir overført/brukt over visse tidsrom? Virker jo som veldig mange ser på det som en investering og forventer at verdien skal øke, noe som jo ikke nødvendigvis er så veldig positivt.