For vanlige mennesker som ikke går arbeidsledige hjemme og bor hos mor er jo dette bortimot umulig egentlig.

Hvis dette hadde blitt dokumentert bedre og lagt fram som en konstruktiv ide med ressultater i ryggen regner jeg med at de fleste store selskaper ville hatt interesse for og endre sin arbeids tid og jobb kultur for de ansatte, dette gir ikke bare en bedrift mange fordeler men også arbeider.

Det er forsåvidt bevist at menneskenes kreativitet er mye høyere rundt 3-4 på natten, noe vi ikke får utnyttet i dagens rutiner.

Jeg ser ikke fordelen for bedriften.. Nå har de ansatte som er våkne og arbeider i 7,5 timer. Hvorfor skal det tjene de at du tar sovepauser i arbeidsdagen?

Det finnes nok av yrker hvor denne søvn ryttmen ville vært opptimal.
Husk du MÅ ikke nødvendigvis gjøre alt arbeid mellom 7 til 5 på ett utvalgt kontor kun fordi det er det vi gjør idag.

Bare det og kunne ha 6 timer mere våken gir deg mye muligheter og laaaaaangt mere tid og utføre arbeid enn andre i en 8 timers søvnfase.
Hvis dette hadde blitt dokumentert bedre og lagt fram som en konstruktiv ide med ressultater i ryggen regner jeg med at de fleste store selskaper ville hatt interesse for og endre sin arbeids tid og jobb kultur for de ansatte, dette gir ikke bare en bedrift mange fordeler men også arbeider.

Når jeg tenker meg om ser jeg egentlig ingen yrker dette ikke kunne passet inn i. Er det noen yrker du jobber konstant 4 timer strekk hvor det er krise om du stopper?

Forhåpentligvis er dette en ide vi mennesker blir mere åpen for og utforske og kansje ta ibruk, dermed endret samfundets rutiner utifra søvnsyklusen, dette ville økt vår produktivitet ekstremt mye, og ikke minst gitt oss mere "fritid"
Det er forsåvidt bevist at menneskenes kreativitet er mye høyere rundt 3-4 på natten, noe vi ikke får utnyttet i dagens rutiner.

Tja, om arbeiderne er 6 timer ekstra våkne hver dag kan de sikkert jobbe mer enn de gjør i utgangspunktet.

Hvorfor skulle det være interessant for arbeidstakerne? De fleste er fullt i stand til å jobbe mer allerede, men 7,5 timer arbeid fem dager i uken er nok for folk flest.

Hvorfor skulle det være interessant for arbeidstakerne? De fleste er fullt i stand til å jobbe mer allerede, men 7,5 timer arbeid fem dager i uken er nok for folk flest.

Ja, men det jeg mente er om dette blir den nye standarden vil nok arbeidsdagene forlenges, siden man trenger mindre søvn.

Og de av oss som jobber 50-70 timers uker har uansett arbeidsplasser som tilpasser seg dette og lar oss sove når vi trenger det.

jeg ser ikke helt hva du tilføyer diskusjonen rundt polyfasisk vs. monofasisk søvn - og du har heller ingen erfaringer rundt førstnevnte, så jeg ser ikke helt grunnen til at du poster her. greit at du ikke er interessert i Uberman, men det er jo bare å lukke fanen isåfall?

Anestesi-lege, tror ikke det er så bra om h*n går å legger seg under en operasjon...

noen av oss har arbeid, hobbyer og samboer/familie/venner. ;-)

Midt på svarte natta, mens ikke en levende sjel er våken?

@mokko
hvorfor drømmer du? hvorfor gjesper du? hvorfor rødmer du? hvorfor går du igjennom puberteten? det finnes mange ting som ikke gir mening fra et vitenskapelig ståsted.

den overflødige søvnen fører til at du blir gretten og trøtt av og til. faktisk så leser jeg at polyfasiske sovere foretrekker å sove for kort over å sove for lenge, da sistnevnte gir samme effekt som monofasisk søvn kan gi.

Jeg er klar over at det visstnok er slik, og jeg skal ikke benekte bevis. Men er det nok av dem? Håndfaste bevis, altså? Har det blitt gjort skikkelige studier som både tar for seg korttidsvirkninger, men kanskje særlig også langtidsvirkninger?

Dette må du nesten komme med en skikkelig kilde på, for det har jeg veldig vanskelig for å tro.

It appears that polyphasic sleep encounters the precisely same problems as seen in jet lag or shift-work. Human body clock is not adapted to sleeping in patterns other than monophasic or biphasic sleep. In other words, the only known healthy alternatives are: (1) a single 6-8 hours sleep block in the night, or (2) a night sleep of 5-7 hours combined with a 15-90 min. siesta nap. Those numbers differ substantially across the population and there is no single recommended dose of sleep for everyone.

for some insomniacs, the ability to clearly observe the difference between sleep and wakefulness may be lacking. “The subject may feel they are merely resting when in actuality they are sleeping. They may also be having “Micro naps”—very short naps lasting minutes,”

This is something that few polyphasic sleepers mention (probably because they're too concerned with polyphasic sleep being a wholly positive experience, which it isn't), but my creativity dropped like hell while on Uberman. That semester, I had a lot of brain-intensive work: I had two 400-level physics classes and two 400-level math classes. I found it very difficult to study those subjects. Not to be an elitist *******, but 400-level physics classes require a certain amount of brain power (focus, attention, creativity, abstract thinking, etc) that most people aren't familiar using. It's the exact opposite of a routine task. And using that level of brain power was a huge, huge struggle while on polyphasic sleep.

In Stampi's Why We Nap book, an Uberman sleeper gave an account of his 6 months on Uberman and his main complaint was that his creativity dropped as well (he was an artist, I believe -- note: this wasn't the same guy who Stampi did research on). The guy stopped having dreams (counter to what other polyphasic sleepers report), and his artistic creativity was severely stunted.

I'll start by saying I've slept polyphasically (Everyman schedule) probably 10+ times, but only a few times long enough to matter (a month or longer). I've done Everyman three times, two times for a month long each, and once for a month and a half. Each time I stopped was simply because of social reasons. I've written a 12 page paper on it, and read all but the last two Chapters of Stampi's book.

From my experience: There aren't any long-term effects of polyphasic sleep. Of course your creativity will drop if you aren't getting enough sleep. Once you start getting enough, and stop oversleeping, you'll feel fine. That's why Steve did so well, he didn't oversleep.

It takes a long time to adapt, but eventually just about everyone can do it. My first month was miserable, and it took about 5-6 days before I was sleeping alright. The second time, about 6 months later, it took me 2-3 days to sleep right. The last time I did it, I was tired for about 1-2 days, and felt fine until I stopped a month later. I would estimate that it would take about 2 months before you won't be tired between any naps.

Social problems will most likely outweigh everything else. NO ONE will support you. Out of the 20 or so people that knew I was doing it, all of them questioned it, none of them believed it would work, and about 1/2 of them tried to talk me out of it. One friend almost tried it with me, but backed out because he was afraid of the consequences. No one will remember that you're napping, so turn your phone off if possible, because they will call you. In one month, I was probably woken up 30-40 times from calls. This was the reason I stopped the last two times (the first time was out of boredom, with too much time and not enough to fill it). When you're woken up three naps in a row, you're completely exhausted for the next few days. Also my mom would call me over to get some stuff out of her garage, or a friend just shows up at my door without calling, banging on the door. After about a month, most people will give up trying to convince you out of it, but they won't remember your nap times for at least another month.

Most people seem to want to change eating habits while polyphasic, like moving to vegetarian. Don't do that. After about 3 weeks, when you're at least mostly adapted to sleeping, you can try changing eating habits. You'll probably need to eat more while polyphasic though, and that's okay. Just don't drastically change your diet until you feel comfortable with the schedule.

Exercise when you get tired, but not immediately after a nap. It'll wake you up for about an hour or two, but then you'll be tired again. Wait until about two hours before a nap to exercise.

The first few weeks, do something that will require you to wake and walk at least 20-30 feet. I had one alarm in my room, one in the kitchen down the hall 3 minutes later, and one in the basement 2 minutes after that.

Don't sleep too comfortably. If it's cold in your room, don't bundle up in the covers, or you'll never want to leave the bed. Put a few extra layers on so when you get up, the bed might seem a little 'too' warm to stay in, and getting up will be easy.

If you oversleep, don't give up. I've probably overslept about 20 times, but if I'd start polyphasic again (which I plan to soon), I might oversleep once every 10 days or so, which isn't bad at all (some even say a long sleep every once in a while might prevent potential sleep problems, which seems logical to me).

Plan ahead. Give yourself a TON to do your first week. I'd say give yourself 2-3 times more than you think you can do. 1) You'll get more done than you think. 2) You'll want extra options in case you don't feel like doing something.

Don't take 5 minutes to rest your eyes. You'll fall asleep. If you HAVE to, take another 20 minute nap ( or however long you nap). It's better to take a 20 minute nap than a 5 minute nap, because there's about a 95% chance you'll oversleep with the 5 minute nap. Also you should consistently take the same length naps. Don't take a 30-minute nap when you don't think a 20-minute will last long enough. If you really feel like you can't make it to the next nap, take another 20-minute nap. Some people need 6 naps a day, some need 5, 7, or 8.

At the end of the first week, almost everyone feels like they can't make it. Remember that studies have shown that no long term side effects form from one month of sleep deprivation (I don't remember where I read this though). So give yourself at least two weeks to try it. If you're not feeling better after 2 weeks, you're not doing it right. If you can't fix whatever you're doing wrong, then you can give up. But don't give up after a week, there's no way of telling whether you can do it just by the first week.

That's all I can think of talking about right now.

I think I'll try polyphasic again this week.

@danseku noen sliter med kreative oppgaver, mens andre rapporterer *større* hell med kreative oppgaver - så det er nok individuelt. den førstnevnte fyren skjønner jeg forresten ikke. matemattik og fysikk er ikke noe jeg ser på som kreativt arbeid.